book, "communist russia." "washington journal snoop on communist russia. as always, we take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. washington journal at 7:00 a.m. on c-span. host: good morning on a foggy sunday. a live look at the u.s. capitol. the house and senate are both in session this week. morning, october 15. welcome. here are some of your headlines. systems, voting responding in reaction to the

hack from last year." c time magazine, highway and threatening the progressa in california. tosing hundreds of people flee their homes. especially in sonoma county. politico, president trump's frustration with congress reaching a breaking point. trying to force their hand on the healthfrom insurance market to immigration. nfl sunday.ther should athletes and players be required to stand for the at them? the nfl takes upset question this week. if you say yes, they should be required to stand, if us a call at (202) 748-8000. if you disagree, (202) 748-8001.

this statement from roger goodell ahead of the meeting taking place this week. he writes "like many of our fans, we believe everyone should stand for the national and and we care deeply about our players and respect their opinions and concerns about critical social issues. the controversy over the anthem is a barrier to having honest conversation and making progress on issues. we need to move past this controversy and we want to do this together with our players. building on many discussions with clubs and players, we have worked to develop a plan that we will review with you at next week's league meeting. levels.des many it will help to promote positive change in our country." joining us on the phone is sean the times.com.

what will happen today? guest: it will be interesting to see. ultimatums said an saying anybody knees -- anybody play.als won't he has been the hard-line owner on this issue. think the timing is interesting with the meeting next week. i think players will continue to neil. says that players should stand. it doesn't say they must stand. they could be fined. but they haven't been fined. i think we will see business as usual. not as many as we saw a few weeks ago when we saw trump

called the people who do kneel, but there will be players kneeling today. something like 20 players kneeled last week when mike president -- when vice president pence was there. host: jerry jones has been a longtime friend of the president. does that play into it? guest: yes. but not every owner in the nfl has that kind of relationship with the president. eight owners donated to his inauguration. at least $1 million. i think the players have a

different relationship with the president. private employers who have a right to set workplace rules. public setting so they work in a public atmosphere. and i think the first amendment has a little more sway in a public exhibition. a weekly public exhibition. ask about the vice president last week. because they say he left on the 49ersbecause kneeled but others say it was a political stunt. what was that all about? guest: it is hard to think it wasn't political in nature. vegasce president was in

and he was going to l.a. and he suddenly shoots to indianapolis and tells the press in a note to be ready to leave and there is good reason that he will leave the game early. and the sad part about that. and then trump tweeted right away that he told the vice president at if anybody kneels, he should get out of there. it looked like a political stunt. of if it was, it was kind sad. manning, hisn number was being retired last week. and they were honoring him at the game. basically manning lifted the colts franchise and did a lot for indianapolis and

that cities that would have been nice for him to have that spotlight that instead everybody else talked about the vice president leaving. so the controversy was pretty quiet. not over but only a handful of players were kneeling before the president cursed at them at a campaign rally a few weeks ago. and then we saw the mass protests that followed on sunday. and the sunday after they were still kneeling. week, it was a downward path. and then the vice president rekindles this all over again. jerry jones says everybody must stand and now at the leak meetings, this will be front and center.

the nba policy is that players must stand. interestingly enough. host: i want to talk about the tax exemptions that the nfl may be getting. but here is what he is wrong -- can you elaborate? guest: the way that tweet came out was -- it sounded like he referring toat or the tax exemption that the nfl has historically had but two things on that. the nfl gave up the tax exemption two days ago -- two years ago. was because they had to file forms that disclose that goodell's salary and

was in the $40 million range and that was subject to criticism so they said it wasn't worth it because the tax exemption is confusing. a lot of politicians ran with a tax exemption and made it sound like all nfl business is exempt and that is not true. teams, their income gets taxed. the only thing that wasn't tax was the administrative body that distributes money elsewhere and sets rules. and economically that is not a large percentage of economic revenue. in fairness to the president, local tax exemptions on bonds for stadiums that are subject to criticisms but that is all sports. that is a sport white issue. so it sounded like he was going after the tax exemption but the exemption doesn't exist.

so it wasn't massive in the first place. host: sean gregory is the senior for time.com. thank you for joining us. this is the headline for the sports page of the new york times. "before the cheers, the protests." and cheerleaders at howard university also protested and took the knee. a photograph with their fists clenched. calls.et to your phone janet joining us from washington. you say players should not be required to stand? why? caller: hello? host: good morning. caller: oh. well. i believe in the standing. and i would like everybody to. but they have their own reasons. and i think it is up to them.

until it is a lot. because they might have a different reason than i do. , i love myason country. they aret to honor but idea in life is to play ball and be good at it and that is there main prerogative so if they are kneeling is an honor to. that kneeling is a great honor for somebody. that it is whatever the person has in mind for why they are doing it. if it was me, i would stand. ,f it is that -- if it is them i won't condemn them. condemn somebody for

burning the flag or disrespecting it but kneeling? no. where it is that wrong. host: thank you for the call. this is from the denver post. the nfl and the players union address the unit in a civil and constructive way. owners meet this tuesday and wednesday in new york city. in georgia, you say yes? they should be required to stand? caller: yes. it is a slam to anybody who served the country in the military. the army and anyone who has put towards effort in the game here to defend this country, it is a slight to all of the wonderful veterans that have given their lives to stand up for what this country stands for serious changes the height

of the gratitude that these people can make all of this money playing this game and they don't respect the country. they don't do anything to support the country. i believe they should bring back makeilitary draft and these people put effort into supporting the country. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. and we need more of that nowadays. bones --hese grateful not these ungrateful bums. this was a german soccer team yesterday. -- host: this was a german soccer team yesterday who took the knee yesterday following american operates as a form of protest and a way to raise awareness. , they said they had seen it plenty in the

football league due to colin kaepernick and in their statement, "we did so with the message of being for an open-minded world." and there is the photo of a football team. this is another headline from nfl.com -- "no mandate for the players to stand during the national in them." victoria in charleston. you say no? kneeling is a posture of the most -- posture of utmost respect. needs to stand land of liberty and justice for all. this is the sense of a prayer and a which for justice with respect for all. look at the pictures you are showing. way to showa

respect. quiet attention. and kneeling has always been a gesture of utmost thoughts and porths to sincerely puts one's point of view as to how america ought to be. host: lily is next in indiana. you say yes? that supportieve our forefathers and what they have done with francis scott key and how this came about, to actually have a natural anthem -- to have a national anthem. 1814 and heoem in was a lawyer. outhis poem basically laid what we defend our country for and what we stand for. and i believe that as american rightns, we defend that and that is what it is about. i believe they should stand

every time. that's all i have to say. host: from the new york post, the nfl says on friday it has no plans to mandate players to stand for the national anthem. that they will present a possible solution on how to end the controversial protest when it meets with team owners next week. roger goodell and the players association will be meeting tuesday and wednesday in new york. roger goodell has a plan about how to use this platform to raise awareness and make progress on the issue. that is from john lockhart. the story is available online. up next, you say no? caller: this is ridiculous. every person in this country has express themselves as

long as they are not hurting anybody. this kaepernick started peacefully. he wasn't doing anything and it is, nothing ridiculous. -- and some of the same people who scream about telling people how to run their companies, stand with their business. let them do what they are doing. they are not hurting anybody. letting go. host: this is an article from cnn money. the, a leading sponsor of nfl, has voiced support for the players to exercise their right of free speech. that story is available

online at cnn.com. theard said "we respect right of individuals to respect their views, even if they are ot ones that we share." these comes amid a feud between trump and lashing out at players. the next call is from james, good morning. i always felt that it is our right to oppose what you feel when the country is not doing right. abouten they say this is disrespect to the flag and the country, and that is not what it is. this is racial injustice.

and saying it would be respectful -- district that will to the country or the flag, that is not what the monument is. you have a predominant about black people who up and tortured and hurt by the establishment, the police. so they make a peaceful protest. this is what the country is built on. the first patriots were rebels from britain. host: thank you for that call. next is ken. good morning. caller: i think they should stand for the flag. there are a lot of veterans -- and i am one -- who have died for the flag. and that means a lot to a lot of people in america. and another thing. players kneeling, if they

want to do something, they should propose to their baby mom and give them a ring. host: we're asking the question about whether nfl players should have to stand for the anthem. caller: good morning. is fortuitous. it is right on point that i came in behind the sky. and ag about a baby mama ring or whatnot. i listen to a program the other day when a man asked a question that said "what have we done to america that they should have feelingsn-spirited towards black people? what have we done? and immediately after he did and, some clown called in

got to talking about fathers. know a racist and a white supremacist and the tricks that they play if you are black. we know what is going on there. it is diverting the issue. it isn't about a deadbeat mom or dad. it is about police or talent he -- police brutality. i just told you what this is about. right? road of why ithe is. i can see the confederate flag but the red white and blue flag. this is about the black man's oppression. as well as other groups. but we don't want to have that discussion right now. the discussion has been put on the table by colin kaepernick

was about what? police brutality. that -- iupremacy is don't have to deal with your issues. i create with the dialogue and issue should be. host: thank you for calling in. this story -- will anyone be kneeling on sunday? there is an excerpt available online. about whether the nfl can punish players for refusing to stand remains to be seen but there are speculations on what that would look like and how that could happen. thatvate employer means protections on speech are vastly restricted. the nfl overseas plenty of public funding, specifically taxpayer funds with exemptions. there will likely be players who

neil but it is unclear when or if the leak will do something about it. a meeting will be taking place this week. we welcome listeners on c-span radio and c-span xm. , joining us from michigan. you say yes? they should stand for the national anthem? why? live, i wouldm like to express my opinion that i would like to watch my football game without all of this controversy that is brought into my program. love to protest, which i have no problem with, but a legitimate protest without all of this stuff that goes on -- do this on their own time. not at the time when i want to watch my football. that is all i ask.

and i do believe veterans have the right overall of us to stand out of respect. have a good day. host: william from california. good morning. caller: good morning. i am a navy veteran officer. on,when i see what is going i say, how can you deny these players the right to neil and pray to god that the justice the flag represents be granted to them. this is a christian nation. when they neil -- and this will be denied -- it is totally unreasonable. justice praying for the that the flag guarantees in the

united states of america. and that is the real issue. does the flag come before god? and speaking to god? love to your comments in reference to mine. i thank you for your time and your program. host: we go now to atlanta. good morning. you are on the air. caller: yes. i'm calling to express the fact protesting is right and proper in the appropriate settings. and i think there are public and private areas where we share the same thoughts. protestus would want to at a family funeral or a wedding. it is an appropriate and disrespectful.

setting, in a natural i don't think we should be disrespecting our flag. and i think that free expression is certainly to be allowed and respected, there is a time and a place. and i would say that i believe that for some americans, and i ask everybody to remember this, ourlast flag that many of americans come home with is the flag draped over their coffin. thank you. reminder c-span q and day every sunday. be sure to check out book tv and on history programming american history tv. 48 hours of books on c-span2. we go to mike in ohio.

it should notter be required to stand. caller: i believe they should stand but i don't think they have to stand. respect from my view. i was raised a catholic and it is a big sign of respect. and i find it amazing that say this is a disrespect when they kiss the ring of a president who refuses to show us his taxes. have you ever heard of conflict of interest? vladimir putin? how can you kiss the ring of playersrump and protest who neil for the flag? it makes no sense to me. , he insultedump

and 29 presidents by claiming he was the most presidential .resident since abraham lincoln he insulted all 29 presidents since then. and the people kiss his ring? give me a break. host: we are showing the comments that a lot of you are leaving. david wrote the following. "requiring people to be patriotic is "fascism"." said -- don't have them on the field until after the anthem and maybe donald will shut up. he is not a king, he is only president. is this a thing? i don't stand for the anthem when i go to work? no one else does either.

-- says patriotism should not be forced from anyone. the issue of taxes and tax exemptions and stadium funding came up this past week. sarah huckabee sanders. you say the nfl is getting massive tax breaks and he called on congress to change tax laws is heat specific changes calling for? the nfl no longer seeks a tax exemption. >> while they may have given up the tax exempt status, but use of taxpayer dollars continue to subsidize the construction of professional sports stadiums. tothis industry uses money build the fields they play on, is it too much to ask that they show respect? host: that was sarah huckabee sanders. in, it is just tuning

a football sunday with the president speaking out on players who don't stand for the national anthem. mike pence walked out of a game last week because members of the 49ers didn't stand for the national anthem. toare getting your reaction this. there is a meeting scheduled this week in new york to talk about this. freddie, good morning. let me say, i am a veteran. vietnam.in for the united states marine corps. areit is so sad that we fighting, we are fighting for our brothers. no one at any time when i was in vietnam did i hear "fighting for the flag" because we were fighting for our brothers. whether the brother was white or black or puerto rican or mexico.

thesesit here and i hear so-called veterans saying they want to force a group of people to stand? on of flag incentive standing for these young men who are being oppressed in my neighborhood, who are being shot down in my neighborhood by white cops? it is getting to the point where i'm now beginning to hate white people. they are unbelievable. theso wonder -- how can it that white people stood by when the white jewish were being exterminated? i often wonder how people stood by and allowed black people to be enslaved. host: to make a statement like that, saying that you hate all

white people, saying something that provocative, why -- caller: you in the media are giving them a platform instead of concentrating on what these players are saying. you are concentrating on what the president is saying. they are being killed and shot down innocently. that is why they have been kneeling. , itn kaepernick and others kneeling for this. caller: and the news media is allowing white people to criticize in any way. criticizing these young men in said praising them for doing what is right. again, we are not criticizing. we are just bringing the issue

out there. i want to to go back to the previous statement about "all white people?" they say to 35% who go along with the president who is white. i don't see any white people standing up for colin kaepernick and what he is saying. and opposing the 35% people who are for or against the young men. that is like the 10% of the germans who went ahead with the of jewish.ons here's a call from cheryl -- i'm sorry, let me go with jody -- no, they are not turning americanks to the

flag. they are kneeling. their pantsting over this but will support espionage and treasonous trump and his russian republican hacks n congress." brooke says "it would probably be smart to start standing considering attendance has been low but what do i know? i voted for trump." them.n says "we boycotted who cares. joke." is a you say player should be required to stand? caller: it shows respect to the people who served in the military and people who lost their lives for freedom in america. host: howard, you are next.

your view on this? caller: they should not be forced to stand if they want to protest. they say there are not disrespecting the flag or the military. many have friends and family in the military. what people don't understand is about somes not just cases of police brutality. it is the general lover of racial bias that exists in the country which shows us through police statistics and arrests and how people are being treated by the justice system and how they are hired or not hired and people. are treated by these have been demonstrated in statistics but what hasn't been is that people demonstrate the underlying

issue. show thatstudies that people are more likely to view a black face as angry. host: on that point -- you are putting couple of issues on the table. you think some people are making blanket statements. do we deal with the racial divide? caller: it is. it shows up consistently. so the first thing people have to do is understand that this exists. it is real. even black people show a bias. look at this as a social,

a societal thing. this is very real. this is something you can't deny. it is subconscious, even. this isn't something that people are even aware that they have. host: a story from new york times, they posted this a few days ago with regards to roger goodell and the upcoming meeting . the headline "goodell and ." yers brace for the fight the nfl was one big family two weeks ago and everyone from roger goodell to the team owners to the players and coaches locked arms, in many cases literally, in unity.

but that has vanished. a number of fans expressing displeasure with a handful of players continue to neal, a growing pool of owners trying to diffuse the traffic way -- diffuse the politically charged issue. owners plan to meet this week to establish what to do about the gestures. and jerry jones said in no that he woulds bench any player who disrespects the flag. from clinton township in michigan saying the players should stand? nfler: i'm not watching the until they stand. it is a great. host: thank you for the call. from tennessee, good morning. caller: good morning. this't want you to take the wrong way but if you pull up

statistics on blacks and whites, you can see who is at the bottom of the list and who is at the top of the list? stand up or bow your head. in history, look back in history, you never do anything for the black race. we are still at the bottom of the total pool. host: from the opinion page of the washington post on harvey weinstein -- yes, harvey weinstein needs help and he also needs to be punished. writing on the 30 year career of abusing women. say no? players should not be required to stand? toler: they should be able

use their constitutional rights. let's say what this really is. it isn't about disrespecting the flag. it isn't about disrespecting the amp them that nobody can sing correctly. it is about disrespecting white people. the players are being disrespected. when they say -- stand up, it don't sit down. don't neil, you behave, black people -- that is what this is about. it has been written in a million times and said a million times that white people don't see themselves as a white, they see themselves as american and everybody else is a color. and the las vegas shooting? have you noticed it took three weeks after trump started this at a country music festival?

were looking at other white festivals. whites.d to kill and unfortunately a couple of black people got shot. white on white crime. nobody in the media is saying a word about that. are. of course they it has been covered in great details. caller: every muslim we could find by now. saying we should stay informed. but where is trump saying -- if you hear something in your white neighborhood, tell the police. all police when you hear white person getting ready to do something. host: you sound angry -- i'm asking you why? you seem angry -- why?

they are telling black people to behave and do what we we are sick do and of this, generation after generation. why should we kneel during your anthem? to peopledo this constantly because you are messing with our children's mental health. beyond this?we get caller: they have a right to sit and neil if they want during the anthem. and we are ruining the football game? it happens at the beginning and you have four hours to watch the game where the men ruin their brains for the rest of their life. it is ridiculous. host: thank you for adding your voice to the conversation. cincinnati, you are next.

this wholem 66 and -- it was solved in 1965. -- in 1965, the supreme court children and adults -- [indiscernible] they were being kicked at a school or fired. because they were disrespecting the flag. generation -- host: thank you for the call.

larry flynt will pay you $10 million -- this is what the advertisement looks like. larry flynt and hustler magazine million forto $10 leading to the impeachment of donald j. trump. edward is next. good morning. caller: good morning. this is very insulting. donald trump serve? when did he show patriotism? them to be patriots -- but when did he serve? let's talk about the taxes -- most of that come from blacks. and you been into the city gone to an urban school?

that is where it comes from. ande people who call in talk about a christian nation -- you committed genocide. your forefathers committed genocide. they stole and kidnapped from other people. let's see. that is to the commandments off the top. don't lie and don't steal and don't kill. what part of christianity is that? host: thank you for the call. we were joined couple of weeks you to talk about this issue -- the sports editor for the nation magazine. and part of that conversation, this issue came up. because weteresting speak about players coming out and how thism extends back to world war ii and the greatest generation but this harkens back to 2009.

that is as far back as this goes. nfl -- the dod paid the national football league -- this is something that was uncovered by republican senators. by john mccain. thatt is the sort of thing speaks to the nfl's relationship with politics in general. despite what roger goodell tries to say, it isn't progressive liberals. that is and what the nfl is. the most conservative billionaires in the united states, there not trying to stand up for racial justice, they are trying to plot their product. host: we can see all of our programming on her website. we are talking about the nfl and players and owners.

kevin, good morning. caller: i think they should be forced to stand. gives them honor. they're flying the confederate flag. but they fought against the united states flag since the 1860's. did join in. boy inh the 12 euro cleveland ohio got shot a second after the cops got out of the car -- that is what they are protesting. -- you need to find out what they are protesting. that is what they need to do. they have every right to neil and purchase the flag, it won't

hurt the country. america will keep going. host: thank you for the call. "a look at a problem that has become epidemic." why teenagers are suffering severe anxiety is the cover story. control, misleading blame game over military mishaps navyding a number of missiles in the pacific. and the weekly standard -- capitalism is dead. pennsylvania, you are next. caller: how are you? to go and say that if these people are nearly -- people are kneeling before the game, it is perfectly fine. i'm just a regular joe, i want

to watch ball. why isn't there a program to solve the problem? before the game? and the this is what -- players who are kneeling, take some of them on before the program to invest in this healing of our problems. if there's a problem, we have to deal with it. we have to talk it out. in the middleting of my football game. host: air is next. you say no, why? caller: i appreciate being able to call. i say no because we need to move to the next step. words "with the liberty and justice for all." from they should stand but

that point on, after the anthem finishes, i think the players should not take the field for one minute. and the next week, two minutes and then four minutes and take it to the next level. you did have a guest on c-span before. mary mcdonald. on the war on cops. i think we should revisit the idea of what is behind the protest about how african-americans commit a high crimes. percentage of involved incould be the discussions. take the field. move this to the next level. c-span.org.v and we go to jane from california. you say yes, players should be

required to stand? caller: yes, i think they should. it is a respect thing. voicet saying they can their opinion, of course they can. chicago, down in there protesting. .ot at the football venue i don't think it is appropriate because people watch for entertainment but they do have a right to voice their opinion. put your money where your mouth is. go down to where the shootings are. knee buty to take a let's say if they were to get find? they are told what to wear with their uniform. is it outrageous to respect the flag? host: thank you for the call. nfl players are not

slaves. they are contributing citizens to the united states of america. i repeat, nfl players are not slaves. and the protest is not about the country, flags, troops or trump. kneeling is to raise awareness of police brutality towards people of color. says in schools and workplace, you are not forced to stand for the flag. we are reading your comments on i were facebook page. joseph from connecticut. good morning. the good morning. i really feel that one thing that is absolutely certain is that the game of football itself is a genocidal game. they are gladiators.

and the logical evidence is very clear. host: when you call in, make sure you turn down the volume on your tv set. we are looking at past games and coming up at the top of the founder of the tea party, jenny beth martin, joins us. b joins us inin kal the 9:00 hour. newsmakers is at 10:00 eastern. john on the question of the nfl players. should they be required to stand? caller: i believe yes. the reason why? we are our morals. your losing our respect for people in general. and i think some of the callers are more angry with trump than

the flag. i have spoken to black people thathey have said to me they love trump? i think this is more of a trump situation. and who is paying them. remember with the black lives matter, i think people should be aware. let's see, if we stop these ,eople from protesting sometimes they don't get involved. page,from our facebook pamela says absolutely. besides the fact that they are

disrespecting our country, the nfl is a business and teams are franchises and players are employees. they are insulting a large portion of customers and reducing the value of the business. -- what a bunch of babies. america is board so this is what we are debating? caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call and thank you for c-span. no, they should not be required to stand. i think trump, the president, has twisted this issue. at the beginning of the issue it was clear by colin kaepernick was kneeling, to protest the killing of african-american men and trump has twisted

this issue. difficult for is white americans to stand. -- americans to understand. you asked the young lady who was u.s. blackalled -- people, what should be done? and the thing is, when they are --y 19% of the population you are asking the people who are being discriminated against to solve the problem that is othercarried out by the 89% of the population. host: how do we get beyond that? what do all of us need to do to get beyond the racial divide?

caller: the first thing is that with this movement, making sure that when you have discussions about race and racism that you don't only discuss it with the african-american community. but you must bring the white community to the table. and the other thing is is that it is difficult when you have a president who has turned and said, once again, to african-americans, that he didn't call out white players. he called out african-american players to say sit down and shut up. they were not protesting the military. they were not protesting the united states of america. the protest was clear. i think he has perverted that.

and i think what needs to be done is that people who are racist, white people, they have to come to the table with the african-americans. you are not going to have discussions only amongst the black people and not have the white people at the table at the same time. and i think you are correct for asking this question. -- you know,arties it is almost like a reconciliation meeting. all parties must come to the table and there must be truth telling at that table. host: what part of texas are you in? caller: 30 miles outside of austin, texas. host: we will take a short break and we come back, we pay attention to taxes and the conversation with jenny beth

martin, the founder of the patriots. next, plans to remove what obama put in place about clean power plants. all that is coming up in the .ext hour rob bishop is our guest. >> do you think the president and the white house are treating puerto rico differently than some of the other hurricane afflicted regions on the mainland? >> no, i think he qualified that. i think the president did say that this morning or yesterday, fema is in there for the long haul until we get something done.

there is a difference because there is easier ways of getting into texas and florida than the virgin islands and puerto rico. you have got to go by ship or plane to do that, so there is a distance issue. fema is in there for the process of how you control and try and make sure everyone is safe. another horrible devastation. this is one of those situations where you cannot control hurricane simply by cleaning up the water, you have got to do something more. that is where my committee has some kind of role because not only will we be there, the first emergency response, and that is where fame will be until they are done, but then there is the rebuilding process. to pass aut ready control board down there. that is one of the vehicles to solve one of these long-standing problems. we have learned from hurricanes in the past and other kinds of disasters about what kinds of

practices the government and federal law for habit and restrict. that is what my committee will be looking at, because the middle range and long-range ways of how we try to rebuild those territories and make it better. fema can only rebuild things to the way they were before the disaster hit. unfortunately, the infrastructure, the grid in puerto rico we realize is more fragile than we thought. i do not want to restructure it and radel it that way. -- rebuild it that way. be sure to tune in, c-span newsmakers. our guest is republican congressman rob bishop of utah. it is available on our website, and check out our free c-span radio app. he can listen to newsmakers and all our signature programming any time.

joining us from atlanta is jenny beth martin, the cofounder of tea party patriots. thank you very much for being with us. guest: thank you for having me. host: i first want to talk about the congressional republican plan on tax reform. we have heard from paul ryan and the president, and some concerns it could blow a hole in the debt. guest: i think the tax plan is a really good plan. it will make that code simpler, fairer for all americans. it will reduce rates and grow the economy. those are the guidelines the tea party patriots have stood for, for years. i am very excited about that. as far as what it will do to the deficit and the national debt, we need to make sure we are working forward to reducing spending, and we will be just as focused in our organization on

spending bills to make sure we are working toward a debt-free future. based onld you agree the numbers that yes, it would increase the economy by three percentage or four percentage points, as opposed to 1% or 2% that would add money in the economy but would mean less revenue and would result in a higher debt in the short term? guest: there is a possibility that may happen, but as you grow the economy the government will get more revenue. if people make more money, they are going to be taxed on that increase in wages that they have. in that sense, the government rings them more money. take sure you understand that when it comes to government spending, and that is going to be in a separate bill, we are going to be very focused on reducing spending. we want to see the budget balanced within five years. way to handle that would be simply spending one penny less

out of every dollar the government spends. we would have a balanced legend within five years. host: we are approaching the when earmark in this congress and you and many of your colleagues -- the one year mark for this congress. "2017 has been a disappointing year for the millions of americans who expected and had every right to expect real change in washington. republicans were given full control of the federal government. they -- you -- have done nothing. worse, it is painfully clear that you intend to do nothing. you are not going to drain the swamp. you are the swamp. reference toy in mitch mcconnell, to step down. guest: tea party patriots along with others called for this senate republican leadership to step down.

they are not keeping their promises. the have campaigned on promises including repealing and replacing obamacare for seven and a half years. when i finally got the majority in the house, the senate, and the white house they still cannot repeal obamacare. they are living with an illegal exemption from obamacare. congress and their staff both have this. no other americans have a special carveout to address issues we have with obamacare. they are still spending more money. we're not addressing the national debt. so far, we appreciate the fact they confirmed justice neil gorsuch to the supreme court, but we have only had six other judgess -- i am sorry, who have been confirmed. that is one a month. there are a hundred vacancies in the courts. there are more vacancies in the judicial system than there were

in january when trump was sworn in. host: is that the fault of the senate republican leader or would you blame democrats who have been trying to gum up the system? aret: of course democrats trying to gum up the system and the republicans are letting that happen. there are so many vacancies in the administration that it would take 11 years to get through and confirm all of those people. orther it is president trump if it had been hillary clinton who was president, or whoever the next president is, it should not take a love and years to get -- 11 years to get through putting the people in place to support the president. the president has a four-year term. that makes a mockery of our election. the senate republican leadership could be leaders and correct this problem, and make sure we are serving the results of the elections, or they can be part of the problem. right now, they are being

probert -- part of the problem rather than stepping up and leading and solving the problem. host: let me get your reaction to what steve bannon said yesterday at the freedom forum, giving a speech critical of the so-called republican establishment saying now it is a war on the establishment. the you consider it a war? guest: i think we are in the middle of a war with the establishment. mitch mcconnell in 2014 said he wanted to crush conservatives and tea party people, punch them in the nose. he called tea party people bullies. he and the establishment started this war. all we have done is said, we have listened to your promises and we want you to keep them once you are in office. quit making excuses and telling us we have to wait until the next election to get things done . we have given you exactly what you said you wanted, a

republican majority in the house and senate and white house, and you still find a way not to getting does not to get things done. -- not to get things done. if we want to see obamacare repealed we have to keep pressing forward and working on this. this is not a fight i want to have. when this tea party movement started we did not think we would have to fight republicans, but this is the fight we are in and we are not backing down. host: steve bannon yesterday at the values voter summit, we had it live on our c-span network. >> i do not know if you are watching value voters, or maybe you have your staff, but if i can take a little risk on plutarch and shakespeare -- riff on plutarch and shakespeare, it is like before the ides of march. the only question is, and this is just an analogy or metaphor,

they are just looking to find out who is going to be brutus to your julius caesar. [applause] mitch, the donors are not happy. they have all left you. we have cut your oxygen off, mitch. money is not courageous but it is smart. right now, money is saying, i see these folks, they are worked up and mad and mad for a reason. host: steve bannon yesterday in washington, jenny beth martin, your reaction and the tone he approached the senate leader. guest: i think he approached him in a tone that is reflective of what people around the country are feeling towards mitch mcconnell. that there are donors around the country who are very frustrated. our donors are primarily much smaller donors than that. the sense among donors, among

activists, among people who are traditionally republican party loyalists, they are looking at what is happening in washington, looking at their insurance premiums increasing and increasing and wondering why there is such a disconnect between what is happening in washington and the rest of the country. i think the people in washington, d.c. do not understand the mood of the american electorate. i think they still are in shock that donald trump is the president of united states of america and they simply do not understand that people across this country are tired of the status quo. we are ready for something different. we voted for a different path for this country than we have been on for years in the past, and we expect that to get done. i appreciate that steve bannon is saying what he is saying. we are saying similar things and we're in this together. host: jenny beth martin is joining us from atlanta.

our phone lines are open, (202) 748-8001 for republicans and (202) 748-8000 four democrats. a lot of you weighing in on our facebook page, facebook.com/c-span. ocean springs, mississippi, republican mine. you are up first. theer: i want to say that leadership of the republican party, they have been in washington so long that they do not know anything different than , to gettisan set up organized, to get their programs through. they do not want to see change. the democrats do not want to see change either. mole int know who is a

congress, moles in the senate. things, there are so many no-brainers coming out, and illegal or unconstitutional news reporting and stuff. decipherd to try to all of that stuff and solve these problems. host: thank you very much. your reaction? guest: i think in mississippi, you guys -- and i was there in 2014 for eight weeks. a hotel much lived in as we were working through our super pac to elect chris mcdaniel. we saw firsthand how this war with the establishment was going to play out.

they will attack, use the race card, do anything they can to destroy their opponents and do anything they can to hold onto the power they have in washington. that is what we saw happen in mississippi in 2014. i expect that that will continue , but we understand their ways now and we are prepared to fight. we have people like you and others across this country to call voters, take sure they are aware of what is going on, and we will continue to get out the vote. host: susan collins of maine announcing she will seek another term for senate, not run for governor. guest: she probably realized it would be difficult to become governor of her state, so she is thinking it is much easier to be reelected. the -- who will protect all incumbents in the republican senate, she probably

thinks that is an easier road to go. i think we have to look at who might be an option to primary her. host: mark is next from arizona, independent line. caller: this is mark. i am a lifetime union member. i have been seeing the destruction of unions and all our rights for 20 years. i am so glad to see the people fight back for once. host: your reaction to that comment. mark, thank you so much, and i think that is how people feel not just in arizona but all over the country. d.c.e in washington, defined issues they can work to divide us on rather than addressing the problems we elected them to solve. we see -- we have seen behind the curtain. and we what exists now have to keep pressing forward to accomplish our goals. host: george from ohio,

democrats line. caller: good morning. i got a question for her. host: go ahead. guest: go ahead, george. [indiscernible] our loyalty. can you tell me the percentage of the united states that voted for him? martin, thoseth that supported the president and the percentage? guest: i am loyal to our country and our constitution, and that lays out how we will elect a president. last year, we elected a president. we elected a president constitutionally. he won the majority of the electoral votes, though not the popular vote. that is the way our system is set up. i respect that and i am loyal

to, not to any single person but to our country and our constitution. host: in addition to a live , welcast, the potus channel are carried on the bbc parliament channel in britain. barbara from essex, england, you are next. barbara, go ahead. caller: hello. i think the people in the states should rise up and march on washington. let the politicians see the thousands and thousands of .eople marching get the march going and i will come over and join them. thank you. host: march for what issue or issues? she hung up. jenny beth martin, your reaction. guest: the tea party did march

in washington in 2009. halfd a million and a people with us in washington and we have taken to the streets. once you finish making your voices heard and express that anger, the only way you can express your anger and frustration is going through the streets. you roll up your sleeves and learn how to be effective, make a difference, hold people accountable, and that is what we are doing. that is what we do at tea party patriots and with our super pac. host: tea party, enacted in for tax enough already. they senator bob corker a tea party conservative? guest: no, i would not say he is a tea party conservative. host: how would you describe him? guest: he is more than establishment politician, someone who has been in washington for a long time who continues to vote with leadership and is not somebody

who is looking to shrink the size of government, to shrink government spending and move us toward a debt-free future. host: a lot of back and forth between senator corker and president trump, the president calling him little corker and corker with this tweet -- it is a shame the white house has become an adult day care center. somebody obviously missed their shift this morning. what is their response -- your response to that type of rhetoric? guest: i do not think it is productive for a senator to say that about the president of the united states. what we have tried to do -- i can look at that and say, i do not think it is productive. i can say what we try to do is work on focusing on the issues at hand with our organization, and really doing what we can to focus on the issues more than just on the individual. host: is a productive for the president to make disparaging

remarks, referring to him as little corker? guest: i think there are different ways to get attention. what we have seen from donald to sink layis able some things up in a tweet, and sometimes those hit the mark and sometimes they may not. host: we will go to tommy, from decatur, georgia, republican line. ,aller: i heard this young lady and i want to make a statement and ask her question. i heard she said that by doing tax reform what will happen is and itere will be growth will take care of the hole in the budget. 1980ay be young, but in ronald reagan came in and tried the same thing. within the space of a few months he had to reverse because he had

blown such a massive hole in the year, from tax increase after-tax increase. ever since then the republican party has been telling this to america. run away with that idea. apply the exact theory on a local level. aboutpublican idea cutting taxes to the bone for economic growth. the economy has been totally destroyed. what happens, republicans had to increase sove tax that your schools can stay open. host: what would you tell tommy? guest: i live in atlanta, so i'm kind of close to you indicator. make sure young, understand that while we are focused on what is good in this

tax reform bill -- and there is a lot of good -- we also are working to make sure that we cut spending. that is something we feel is very important. we at tea party patriots citizens fund. we have seen over the year tax cuts and spending increases. we have seen spending increases and tax increases. what we have not seen as tax cuts and spending decreases. that is ultimately what we are pushing for. host: kathy next from cleveland, ohio, democrats line. caller: thank you so much for taking my call. i have a comment and a question for ms. martin. my comment first is that i feel the tea party in particular misrepresents themselves. i will use the previous caller, who mentioned right from the beginning of his statement that he was a union supporter all his life, and that he was glad the

people were taking back control. what you failed to mention was that the tea party constituency has been opposed to unions. you are not representing those people, yet you like to give that gentleman a warm fuzzy feeling as if you were on his side. to change theent core of the republican party? you want to bring it back to something it was before, just something that has never been defined. why aren't you taking a more constitutional approach to create your own party? why take all the funds that are given to the republican party? divide those donations that go to the more extreme conservatives -- which in my opinion is the tea party -- and be your own party? we have seen that happen across the years where the green party has tried to be established. other opinions and

considerations have tried to's bond their own party. where do use -- to sponsor their own party -- sdpawn their own party. where do you stand? guest: as far as union members go, i do not know that we as tea party patriots have taken a stance on unions that way, so i am not sure why you are saying that we are against that. said something about not knowing exactly what the tea party stood for. what we wanted to see different within the republican party, for instance. more personal freedom, economic freedom, and a debt-free future. we want constitutionally limited government and we want to work towards a debt-free future. that is what we stand for. as far as, why don't we start our own political party, we do not actually -- i am not a

member really of either party. we are working to make a difference how we can. i think you said something about the money that would come to us somehow because of being in the republican party. there are candidates in both parties who have stepped up, who have run for office if they are nominated by their party. they are going to be supported by that party. we are looking at different candidates who are running. as far as why don't we start our own party? this system is set up so we have a two-party system. if you want to make a difference in government you are going to have to play either with the republicans or democrats. the majority of americans i think are pretty much where i stand. i used to be very loyal to the republican party and at this point i am rather tired of both parties. i am an american first and foremost, and other things come after that. the system is set up that there

are two parties and if you want to make a difference you have to work within the framework. host: you can get more information by logging on to tea party patriots and their website. time magazine listed her as among the most influential leaders, that story at time.com. suzanne is joining us from pennsylvania, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i am calling because i have a specific objection to the president's plan and republican plant in general, to try to get rid of the estate tax. i am a republican, i am part of the 1%. when my parents died in the late 1990's they had to pay 55% of what they had earned, being people who completely earned all of their money from nothing. i am still a wealthy, very happy citizen of this country.

concerned,as i am one of the reasons for an estate tax is that we are not in this country meant to be a country that has an aristocracy of wealth. to me, the worst part of the way the estate tax is treated, it swings from one thing to another. diedusin's father when he had to pay a very large percentage of what he left to his child, where the year before there was no estate tax. i think that the estate tax ought to be firm, set. to anybody not apply who has assets of over $11 million. i think it is absolutely ridiculous to keep harping on getting rid of that particular tax. host: suzanne, thank you.

guest: thank you. i think the estate tax really affects people the most who are farmers and passing their farm and property from one generation to the next. it to put so many taxes on that a family business that has been in existence and property and the family home has been in existence for years and years, for it to go to one generation to the next and be potentially taxed out of being able to do that, is not how i think our system is supposed to be set up. that is the real problem and it needs to be addressed. as far as that tax fluctuating from one year to another, where it is high one year and another year it is not, that is the problem with the whole tax code. it is over 75,000 pages long. things change in it.

sometimes we have tax cuts rather than reform. tax cuts are only around for 10 years at a time. what we are working for right now would be tax reform which would be more binding and permanent. .e need to reduce that code 75,000 pages is far too large, and if we can reduce that and make it much simpler i think we will be in a better place, whether we are dealing with an estate tax or not. host: from independence, oregon, dan on the democrats line. caller: thank you very much. i am calling to say thank you to president trump for instituting well, reduction in health care because he is doing exactly what i predicted he would do. obamacare was designed to fail and i'm glad he is taking the first step because it will go to a single-payer system after

this. host: how do you respond, jenny beth martin? guest: thanks for calling in. i think if we go to a single-payer system we will have even more problems with our health care than we have now. he said obamacare was designed to fail. president obama set up this bailout for insurance companies, giving them billions of dollars because basically buying off their support for a system that as you just said, was designed to fail. it has been ruled unconstitutional by the courts. the payments cannot continue. the executive branch cannot arbitrarily give money to insurance companies to take care of them. if congress feels like it is important to do that, congress can pass a lot out of the senate and thus out of the house and the president can decide what they want to do. you cannot decide that you will

give money away without it being properly appropriated by congress, and that was the issue with obamacare cost-sharing reductions. host: if tax reform does not pass in this congress, either this year or next year, what does that mean for the republican party? guest: i think it must pass not just this year or next year, it has to pass this year. we are working at tea party citizens fund to do just that. we will launch a nationwide coalition for groups, business owners, and community leaders to join in the effort to support tax reform. we need to see this passed by thanksgiving and if it does not get past by the end of the year at the latest, but it has to pass. yearse seen in election little legislation gets past because the congressmen and senators are worried about their reelections and are not paying

attention to the legislation that is passed. host: emmy, out west in los angeles, good morning. caller: i think she may 2 good points regarding the electoral vote and the popular vote. i think a lot of the voters in particular are becoming disenfranchised because they do not understand the way that system works. now that she has had the second go around, the initial one with gore where the popular vote was not accepted in bringing in the president, that has really undercut the faith of a lot of voters in the country. host: we will get a response. guest: i am sorry you feel like it has undercut the faith of a lot of voters. the way the frommer's -- framers of our constitution set things up, and if we do not like it we can set it up to deal with that, but this is a way to -- you are from los angeles, a very large

population state and a very large city. it is set up so people across the entire country, not just single but in large populations like los angeles or atlanta, chicago, new york, are the ones deciding the election for the entire country but this way it is set up so the whole country has a voigt in our vote -- a voice in our vote. host: neil on the democrat line, scranton, pennsylvania. caller: my question is, why would they be talking about tax cuts at all? the country is borrowing to pay our bills, aren't we? i am middle-class and when i hear about tax cuts to the rich, that just infuriates me and my coworkers. it is just unbelievable. host: thank you. guest: they are talking about tax cuts for taxpayers, not just

for the rich but for all taxpayers. that is what they are working towards. if you are not part of the rich, then hopefully you are still going to be getting a tax cut. also, it should make the code simpler. it should make it for more families across this country not to need to go to one accountant or h&r block to deal with filing your taxes. it will be simpler, a lot less hassle, and it will be much more standardized deductions so we do not have to deal with pages and pages just to fill out our taxes. , simpler,e goal fairer, flatter tax code that reduces rates and grows the economy. one other thing you mentioned is tax cuts while we are borrowing money, i said this a couple times. at tea party patriots we are working toward a debt-free future. have to address spending and we think that can be done i

spending one penny less out of every dollar the government spends. as we are dealing with that, in addition to that, cutting taxes and growing the economy so we have the opportunity to earn more money and increase our wages, it will combine those two together and we will be towards a debt free future and will be able to address the deficit, and get our budget balanced and start paying down the debt. it will take two together, tax cuts and spending cuts. host: what would a senator roy moore mean for the u.s. senate? guest: a senator roy moore would be somebody who is a man of conviction and is courageous and very conservative. , oftenstood in alabama times he is a christian who is very passionate about his beliefs. he is passionate about this country and our constitution,

and i think we need more people in the united states senate who are willing to stand up to mitch mcconnell, and who will stand for our constitution. from jenny beth martin atlanta, georgia with tea party patriots, thank you for being with us. guest: thank you so much. host: that election in alabama is slated for a timber the 12th -- november the 12th. we will have results on election night. he want to turn our attention to an issue that was front and center, the clean power plan that was put in place by president obama being rescinded by the epa administrator. emily holden will be joining us next to break it down. at the top of the hour, marvin kalb, "the year i was peter the great." we will also talk about vladimir putin and dealing with russia today.

you are watching and listening to washington's cease -- to c-span's washington journal. back in a moment. ♪ >> tonight on afterwords, craig shirley on the life and political career of newt gingrich with his book. he is interviewed by former virginia congressman tom davis. >> this is an era before cable television. cable television is prominent today. cable news was not there. it was just little pockets of cable here and there, but mostly reruns of i love lucy and annie griffith. there is no talk radio to speak of.

this, the big media and c-span. and he quickly realizes the potency of giving special orders every afternoon, giving a five minute speech, because it is being carried over cable to 100,000 homes around the country. armyr congressman dick used to gravel about it and gingrich would say, would you give a speech to 100,000 people? of course you would. that is what you are doing with c-span, special orders every afternoon. c-span became -- quickly becomes a cult, political leader and is getting 700 letters a week from people around the country to this backbench, junior member from georgia who is a member of a minority party.

tonight onterwords c-span twos booktv. >> washington journal continues. host: we want to welcome back emily holden, who covers climate issues and energy matters for politico. let's talk about this clean power plan that was put in place by president obama. president trump wants to repeal it. what is this all about? guest: it essentially would move to shift the power sector more away from coal-fired power plants and toward natural gas to thate carbon emissions cause climate change. the trump administration has taken its first step to withdraw because they argued it was an overreach of the epa. pruitt trevor to kentucky last week and said the war on coal is over.

-- traveled to kentucky last week and said the war on coal is over. what does it mean? guest: preliminary analysis shows this slow closure of coal plants little bit but you will still see a lot closing. you have seen about half of them close since 2010 because natural gas and other power is cheaper. host: when president obama put this in place, was an executive order or was it done legislatively? guest: it was written by the epa. they had a proposal and public comments and it took years to put it in place. host: if you were an energy provider on other sources of energy, does that mean for wind or solar or nuclear power? guest: a lot of power providers will be shifting away from fossil fuel intensive power sources, in large part because of economics but also because they still believe they will be facing regulation or law in the

future that will require them to limit carbon emissions, and because they are getting calls from customers to do that. host: as you explain the policy aspect, what is the politics behind it? guest: the analysis on the cost is, you see some people saying this would not be very expensive at all for most consumers around the country. when you have the trump administration introducing also thisying -- and has been a campaign promise from the trump administration. it is something he said he really wants to achieve her coal miners. this is some -- four coal miners. -- for coal miners. where plants have closed, they are not coming back. .ost: let me break this down the epa talking about a new

carbon rule. what is that, and what is the epa considering in terms of rewriting it? taking comment on a replacement that would not be a climate action. scott pruitt is not looking to regulate carbon emissions. he has really questioned whether humans have been a fact in climate change, so our replacement rule would focus just on coal plants which the trump administration argues it would be legal for the epa to do. it would essentially make certain efficiency upgrades. host: our guest is emily holden of politico. our phone lines are open, (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8000 if you are a democrat. for independents. let me ask you about the paris climate accord.

those were voluntary agreements put in place by more than 180 countries and we are pulling away from that. is this part of that effort? guest: this was the obama administration's signature effort in achieving that, so it would be a small amount of what we bring as a country. it would have been about 1% reduction. the u.s. already had a lot more it would need to do to achieve those goals and the administration is scaling those back. host: we are hearing from a number of states who say they still want to abide by those voluntary agreements put in place by the paris climate accord. how might that impact what states are doing versus the federal government? guest: one effect is to go to the climate negotiations in bonn in germany. you will still see emission reductions in the u.s..

they will probably not be as big as they would be. limitary numbers show the u.s. byng at about 15% to 19% 2025. host: send us your tweet, this is from one of our viewers saying -- coal is not going to come back at the levels of production it enjoyed in the past. green power is taking over. there is this tweet -- do people think the power plants which use natural gas and other alternatives are going to retool for coal? they won't. lot in theink a industry would agree that coal plants that have closed are not coming back. it is possible they could allow some coal plants to stay online but many owners say it is just not economic for them to stay online, versus cheaper prices for other fuels. some have been asking the trump

administration to step in and do something to help them. host: this is from michael, who said the following -- this segment will prove that congress needs to pass legislation on important issues. fiats mean little. guest: that is something you hear from republican lawyers i talked to. because the supreme court has decided the epa has the authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions and they said carbon dioxide is a pollutant causing climate change that is bad for health. epa has a legal obligation that they need to address. a lot of republicans will say if it is going to be addressed, it should be congress rather than the federal government, but there really is not appetite for that in congress and i do not think there will be anytime soon. host: nick is joining us from

alton, illinois, republican line with emily holden. caller: thank you for taking my call. i just wanted to point out, the andr day i was on nasa.gov, they had a picture of the globe, and there were three big red circles on this picture of the areas where most of the earth's carbon is coming out of. there was 2.5 gigatons of carbon coming out of these three areas and they were ironically tropical rain forests. tropical rain forests reduce 5.5 trillion tons of carbon dioxide. i would like her comment on that. host: we will get a response. guest: there are a lot of questions now about how land use practices could be used to curb climate change. some land practices produce and they also

make available a lot of opportunity to reduce emissions. the vast majority of emissions warming the planet are coming from man-made action, from burning fossil fuels. host: with the #make america great again -- a folks do not want cold they will not by coal. but the markets decide. from sandy beach -- now that the war on coal is over we will see how many coal plants close to two natural gas and renewables. big shock coming. guest: the industry is expecting to see more coal plants closing a new see some coal producers asking the government to step in and find ways to get the market to be able to pay for coal and nuclear power, which is also struggling next to natural gas and renewable energy. that is politically and legally very tricky. host: jan says -- states are going to for does go forward despite what the white house

does, that is what they want. tasha on the democrats line from troy, michigan with emily holden of politico. caller: these people that are so concerned about our climate and the air ought to take a vacation to china and see how the people are there, where they are wearing masks on their faces because sometimes the air is so bad, oftentimes children are not going to school because of parents are worried. i think people lamented the horse, what are we going to do with these cars? what about the horse? same thing with coal. people have to just get with the flow and reeducate themselves. it is a terrible thing. it is almost tantamount to what i saw when i was a younger child where my dad and i drove by a large factory where people thought that -- automotive

factory, where people thought these jobs would be forever. , kid gotgenerational out of high school and went to work in the factory. what happened? we sent the jobs to mexico and consequently our country suffered. i think that we should think that --is climate ruled rule that the president has tried to decimate, is as far as i am concerned anything that president obama past or was in favor of with something that true -- that president trump is trying to eliminate because he is not familiar or educated. he thinks he is just going to be a small group of people, isn't this wonderful. people are not thinking about the future of our country. i saw a program last night where china is building this great

road from china all the way up to england. it is a train, railroad track. they are going to emulate the old silk road. our country is just going to be outside looking in because of our fighting and acting like spoiled babies. host: thank you for the call. i am going to hear from a republican and then we will get on the republican line, you heard what our previous caller said. what is your take? caller: my dad used to be a nuclear engineer for general electric. i grew up knowing nearly 35 years of nuclear energy. my father used to bring designs in my own house and show me how nuclear power actually worked. i was clearly explained in high school, we had a high school nucleonics, which was

unusual for its time. but here is my concern. when we disregard certain elements and calls on fossil fuels, and they are god-given resources, these things like oil can be refined and used properly. i just do not understand why kids today are being educated that they are fossil fuels. these are naturally owned, given to us by god. , when we giveg we consideredwer to iran for nuclear power, they are not using it for nuclear power. they are using it for nuclear weapons and they are against us. everything that we stand for is freedom and love for each other, they are against. host: two different points of

view. what is your reaction? guest: i think i would start with saying yes, president trump has before becoming president questioned whether climate change is real. at one point he called it a chinese hoax so this is not something the federal government is looking to address anytime soon. another point to make is addressing emissions from the power sector, which is just the first step. there are other industries that would have to address their in missions in the coming years to reach the numbers -- there in missions in the coming years to reach the numbers. about fossil fuels, i think the politics can be a little bit confusing about this, absolutely, and can get very heated. you may not like to hear them called fossil fuels for one reason or another, but they cause carbon emissions when they are burned for power production.

although there is some research going into how if you capture those emissions, the science is not quite there yet, and the economics really are not there. , natural other options gas being another fossil fuel the u.s. is increasingly relying on that are cheaper and produce fewer emissions. host: emily holden covers environmental matters for politico. she is a graduate of louisiana state university, with honors. let's go to henry from bayshore, new york, independent line. caller: good morning. on this issue, it seems that -- wants trump is just to eliminate an appeal every single policy that president obama had instituted. president obama was not a perfect president, but i think that president trump should take

a comprehensive look at all of energy policy, environmental policy, to see what is good and in the best long-term interest of the united states and the world, and not just what is profitable at the current time. host: thank you, henry. guest: i think there is an element of the trump administration wanting to do a way of -- with efforts of the obama administration. this rule was challenged by a lot of industry groups so there is that history of undergoing a court process that has essentially been frozen by the supreme court. that is why epa is moving to give the court something to look at to say, we are not moving forward with this rule. host: my bloomberg with this tweet -- mylan burke with this tweet --

ray, republican line from san ramon, california. thatr: the lady said renewables were cheaper than fossil fuels, but renewables would not be economic without , andovernment subsidies without the government subsidizing all this stuff we would not, it would not be viable. why not just remove the subsidies and let everybody can meet -- compete in a free market? let all the solar and this other stuff compete freely. out here, there is a lot of solar but it is heavily subsidized by the government. that is not sustainable in the long run. we need a free market for energy and let's let it go from there. host: thank you. guest: i think that is a complaint you hear from both sides, the issue is that once there is a subsidy in place for

any fuel it is hard to take that away. it is the same issue you see with the tax code, once people are benefiting from a policy it is difficult to take that back. i would say that some studies have shown that even without any subsidies, when you strip away that natural gas and wind power, they are the cheapest fuels to use in most places in the country. two daysm jodi -- in it will be our normal first frost in arkansas. it was 87 degrees yesterday. that climate change? some attributing the heat in the east and the fires out west to climate change. say we arentists seeing extreme weather caused by climate change and it is trickier to say that certain events were caused or exacerbated by climate change. following recent hurricanes that caused a lot of damage, that was

a trickier area. some scientists believe we are already seeing the effects of climate change that will get heat waves, sea level rise, torrential rain, flooding. james has this tweet -- so when it gets cold i can say global cooling? send us a tweet, c-span wj. emily holden from politico and mike from modesto, california, the democrats line. caller: i try not to act like i am better than people i disagree with. that seems to be the christian way to roll but it is not that easy, and the judge mental route is a lot more fun. imagine if the script was flipped and trump had gotten 3 million more voters and hillary squeaked in. can you imagine these people going, it is our country, you support your president whoever he is? i am sorry.

this attraction to the front -- the trump voters is not just anti-obama, it is anti-fdr, , anti-us poorhts white working people, how can we hardly make it in america if you take away our privileges and let everybody compete? i would like to go back to the lady yesterday from georgia talking about how great it was when she was a girl. great. sorry, folks. you do not get to just tell somebody to get off the sidewalk now. those days are over. yet over it. jeff sessions -- it is not just the epa. every single post is like a slap in the face. instead of having a reasonable human being, that is a stretch, saying i know i just got in , wee, it is kind of weird

are all together, i am not in charge. the act like they got 55% of the vote and all of you lefties can just screw off. host: how do you respond? guest: i think a lot of people on both sides are feeling that frustration and division in the issuey, and that is the with having an administration change every four to eight years. epa administrator scott pruitt has built his career on fighting the obama administration, not just on environmental protection but all kinds of other places as well. this is not something that has happened just with this administration. i think this has been happening over decades in every flip from one administration to the next. host: my initial question with the clean power plan, what is the next step for the epa and this administration? guest: they will come out with an advance notice of replacement

. coal plants would not get many emissions reductions. that could take years. that, and the proposal to withdraw both could see lawsuits . i do not think you will be seeing this result anytime soon, probably not within this president's term. host: emily holden, her work available on politico.com. when we come back, marvin kalb here at the table, out with his latest book focusing on his year "thessia in 1956, called year i was peter the great, khrushchev, stalin's goat, and in russia or go washington journal continues on the sunday >> monday on "the communicators,

people at theed conference in las vegas. unique, eveng, from other devices like phones, because they are typically used economist we. there is no human interaction with your thermostat or industrial controller. we have seen some attacks were --y are able to traditionally, hacking was more building and making stuff and more recently, i think society has seen it as people breaking into systems, attacking systems offensive manner. traditionally, it is solving problems in different ways. now is probably one of the most exciting times to start hacking. the wealth of information is unbelievable. it takes little to hack, you have youtube, tutorials. 20 years ago, there was not

much. it was a true wild wild west and there was nothing out there. now, this is an exciting time. >> artificial intelligence takes it one step further. do not even have to intervene anymore with the computer. we just -- people call it raw data -- think of any type of data source. we pass it over to the machines and on its own, it learns how to make useful predictions. >> watch "the communicators" monday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. "washington journal continues. host: we want to welcome back marvin kalb and his latest book "the year i was peter the great." we want to talk about the book but let's talk about russia today and vladimir putin.

him based on your experiences, how can you best understand him and the russian government in general? putin is an it -- traditional leader, he is an autocrat, that kind of a leader and russians are used to that kind of leadership. they had it during the czar, st alin's time in the soviet period, and now. he is very crafty, smarts, and he knows how to use all of the tools of modern society to project an image which suggests he is trying to be a democrat and he is not. host: is the president for the foreseeable future? guest: there is going to be an election last year, he says he is not yet officially running, and he obviously is. i think the greatest threat that

putin has us from the russian people. i think he is a frightened leader. i think he is surrounded by a small army that protects only him. troops, a000 remarkable little fact, why would you have that kind of detection question mark against whom --? protection? against whom? his own people. i think he is a frightened, little man, with you at the moment, has enormous power. host: a lot of question on what he did or did not play in 2016. based on what you know about him, do you think he was involved in russian involvement in the 20 16th election? guest: absolutely. he was at the top, he knew it all, he was at top of it all and that is the way the russian system works. host: let's talk about your

book. i want to talk about your dedication. tell us what is happening. guest: i feel that very strongly. me, that was my first year in the soviet union and russia. i lived there one year and i believe anyone who starts out onto a new assignment, i was there working for the state department, but even working for the state department before the united states, a newspaper, a network, the most important thing -- you were there to cover the news. you want to see or hear what is going on, you want to filter through your own intelligence and tell it to us straight. do not give me a song and dance. tell you what you see and hear. tell me straight news. host: stalin dies in 1953. guest: yes. host: the korean war comes to an end, and khrushchev rises to

power, under what circumstances? guest: when stalin ran the soviet union, everything went through him. he was the absolute leader and dictator. he dies and there is uncertainty. khrushchev rises to the top. he once to do something that she want -- he wants to do something different and he knew it was going to collapse. he wanted to reform it, and he attacked the legacy of joseph stalin in 1956, cutting loose tremendous energy and people wanted to know, what is up? it was their first spattering of personal freedom. they had never had it before. they loved it. it was intoxicating. khrushchev was writing that end ing that but how far

would he go? would he really give us our freedom? towards the end of the year, in hungary, when the hungarian people brought up the issue of said, weempire and believe you, we want our freedom from you, and khrushchev had a choice. he could have given them their freedom or he would crush them. he chose to crush them because that is also part of a soviet ruler's makeup. you want to retain as much personal power as you can. khrushchev tried to do the impossible. of tearingckless act down the stalin legacy without having the guts to go all the way. he started but he could not finish the job. 1956,i want to go back to a couple years later in 1959, khrushchev comes to the u.s. for

a visit, 21 days, where a famous debate took place with vice president richard nixon, and he was hailed as almost like a rock star in the u.s. in the 1950's. guest: at that time, we had no idea what a soviet leader was like. we only knew stalin and he never left the kremlin. khrushchev, because of that speech against stalin in february, an historic speech, really the beginning of my first adventure in russia, from that moment on, khrushchev and russia were in uncharted territory. but he was trying to do at that time was reform a system without giving up communism and he was not able to do that. samechev tried to do the 30 years or 40 years later and he could not either. host: in the book you write "russian people are much too imaginative to look for amber in the toss out servants.

they are no longer the illiterate, in our peasantry that stalin ruled with an iron discipline. they know how to read and are beginning to think. in a dictatorship, thinking is dangerous." take us back to that time. guest: in 1956 -- [clearing throat] -- the russian people had lived essentially as modern-day serifs and then khrushchev comes along and says, we are going to modernize this entire society. but he does not give them the energy and the resources to really cut loose and in the final analysis, he would not give them the ultimate freedom necessary. the russian people had been educated. they had been made literate. right now, -- in my judgment, areay -- the russian people fine people and good people, except they live within terrible

political system and they did under khrushchev's time and now under proven 's -- underp putin's time. they have degrees of freedom but not to the extent of having a second political party, of having a truly free press, all of the kind of things we take for granted in this society. they never had. i believe they are capable. i really do, they are capable of being a 21st century people and nation if they have the freedom to theire to give natural talents. host: what led to your journey in 1956? guest: this was my first time, i lived there a year. it was an adventure for me. host: i was 25 beers old. we love the pictures, by the way. and the glasses.

guest: i was having a great time, i was an attached, part of the u.s. embassy, going for my in russianard history. they asked if i wanted to go to russia and i said, you bet! they said you had to leave immediately. i said, i'm ready to go. my mother wasn't happy but my father was. i left. it was an attempt at humor with the title because i was nicknamed peter the great, and i met him at the july for party at the u.s. ambassador's residence. bureau when khrushchev arrives, i was one of the embassy people who spoke russian. the ambassador says, you look after the minister of defense, world war ii hero. pfc in afc -- i was a the u.s. army and it didn't seem

right. we talked about the battles, russian history, and he was drinking one vodka after another and the headwater, so after about 45 minutes, he was tipsy. i was not. he walked over to khrushchev and said, i have finally found a young american who can drink like a russian and khrushchev love that burst into laughter. am -- she was6, i about five feet, six inches, i am six feet,' three inches. he said, how tall are you? peter the great was in my mind, so i said six centimeters shorter than peter the great. he was about six foot, eight inches. khrushchev heard that, roared with laughter and whenever he saw me, he would, a peter the great, which opened a lot of

doors for me. [laughter] host: our guest is marvin kalb. guest: this is my 15th. host: you are outhost: tomorrow with the kalb report. thet: you will feature executive editors of the new york times and washington post. i believe they had never appeared together and they are in a competition but also the two most important editors in america. host: that report takes place in washington, d.c. and you can check it out on this he spent at work. let's go to tim from wilson, north carolina. independent line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. what concerns me most of all about putin -- i am hearing an echo -- host: that is ok, we can hear you. caller: what concerns me is the america, stepping into

and the uneducated part of our population. host: tapping into the uneducated americans. guest: i think he is doing that but also the entire system, which includes the uneducated and educated. i think most americans are educated in the politics of our nation. at the same town, i think we have to be mindful and worried that the fact that any foreign government can come in and sort of try to make a mess of the american political system, that is a horrible thing to do and unacceptable. host: many of us grew up watching you on cbs and nbc. you are also famously on richard nixon's enemies list. when did you find that out? guest: the funny thing, steve, i did not know about that. that happened in the early 1970's and i learned about it in 1973, when somebody called me, a

reporter from the new york times, and said, did you know you are on the president's enemy list? i said, no, i did not. he gave me a list of other people on it and i felt rather flattered to be among the finest journalists in the country. host: you wrote a piece recently that was critical of the president, this president, saying, first, drawing analogies to richard nixon, saying donald trump is threatening press freedom. how so? guest: i believe every president has had quarrels with the american press. it goes with the turf. where president trump is different, and i believe he whened a bright red line he said that american reporters were the enemies of the american people. quite the contrary. american reporters, for the most part -- not every single one is

fabulous, but most are doing their jobs and doing it well, and they are part of a free press. that goes back to the founding of the republic. in my judgment, democracy and a free press go together. reinforces thess essence of democracy. press,do not have a free you don't have a real democracy. i learned that in russia way back then enter today. in any kind of free society, you have to have a free press. when the president makes moves against the free press, calling them enemies of the american people, humiliating them, seeking to de-legitimize them, when he is trying to do is denied the american people the opportunity to get information. the president may call it "fake and" but most of it israel probably critical of him and he

doesn't like it. host: why do you think khrushchev blinked during the cuban missal crisis? guest: he blinked during the cuban missal crisis because what was his original intent when he tried to put missiles into cuba in 1962? his original intent was not to use cuba as a launching pad to attack the united states. it was berlin, which was a divided city, and he wanted the eastern part of berlin to be recognized as part of east germany. berlin, to him, was what he something in my throat, and the way to get rid of it to him was too frightened the president of the united states into a deal that would get us out of west berlin. it did not work. when he realized that, he was

not an idiot. keep old back. he host: did not want a nuclear war. our guest is marvin kalb. our phone lines are (202)-748-8001 to republicans. (202)-748-8000 for democrats. a personal question, how many red ties do you own? guest: [laughter] about 10. host: between you and your brother, this famous red ties. from connecticut, good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call. i am a little bit computers about four and if -- i am a little bit confused about foreign affairs. it is better to have a foreign policy with russia, in particular. is a rex tillerson, he good guy, but the state department does not seem to like him because he seems to maybe

but he is nother building a whole team. where do you think we should go with their foreign policy? guest: look, the first thing we should do is to have, in the president, someone who recognizes the important of the state department, someone who will allow people to be appointed to key jobs, which are now open. someone who will get the secretary of state the authority and dignity that that office requires and if you have a secretary of state, like tillerson, who is trying very hard on the one hand to do a good job and deal with the north korean problem in a sensible way, but on the other hand, he denies himself the opportunity of being surrounded by experts on korea. in other words, he has not allowed the state department to provide him with the

intelligence and experience that it has accumulated over many years. he is trying to do it the way president trump would like it done but it is not being done well, and i think the nation as a result suffers. host: let me follow up on that, jackson deal in the washington post is writing about the committee, available on wheregtonpsot.com, corker says -- washingtonpost.com. it reads -- guest: as chairman of that committee, he has, corker does, a close relationship with the

secretary of state. and tillerson has made a point of being very close to corker, corker to tillerson, they work together, and what corker has found his he cannot get anywhere, anywhere at all with tillerson because he has a problem with the president. story,is a shameful steve. is sos point, everything uncertain, not just within the u.s. but entire world. the u.s. is still the leader, but if the u.s. is not meeting and only confusing things, we are not doing ourselves a great favor or anybody else. our number one diplomat. he is supposed to have dignity, the support of the president. he is not getting it. host: do you think he called the president of the united states a more on? guest: apparently -- a moron? guest: apparently he did,

because no one is denying it. host: on the republican line, good morning. jim, you with us? caller: i am. host: we will go to oscar in california. good morning. caller: good morning. in the old days, we could go to supermarkets and we could buy fake news, the national enquirer, silly newspapers, which we knew were fake. then we could by l.a. times, new york times and we expected that to be the real news. octor ande a media d distinguished between the fake and real news, would there be a way for us, as americans, to defend our precious democracy from these countries that would cause problems? is there a way for us to know?

it was hollywood in one i'll and then we had legitimate news in the other -- in one aisle, and we had legitimate news in the other. how do we know? guest: i think that is a legitimate question and thank you for it. most americans who read newspapers, watch television, more or less know what is the real thing. if you read the new york times or any other major papers in the country, chicago tribune, l.a. times, you are not dealing with fake news. is fake newsit now, and the only reason it has currency now, is president trump decided any criticism of him he dismisses as fake news, and he is hoping that enough americans will lose their respect of the news, the newspapers, the news networks, and dismissed them.

in other words, when you have a -- noent, -- president president likes to be criticized. this one, when criticized, dismisses and humiliates the people doing the criticism. criticism is justifiable in a democracy, heart of what we do for a living. i think most people in this country appreciate that label is something president trump is not like. host: let's go to thomas in new york, republican line. you are next. caller: good morning. guest: good morning. caller: i am curious why the media producers, and i suppose i am talking about major platforms that broadcast print, radio, do not do a better job in controlling the content of the stories with respect to mr. trump or i should say president trump, i guess. for instance, one example, this

situation about football players kneeling for the national anthem. to some extent, they're probably should be coverage, but there is too much coverage of that when you consider the fact that the president of the united states has far more important and critical things to deal with than weatherford players meal or stand -- the weather foot wall players meal or stand for the anthem. guest: i agree with you, sir. i think the president of the united states ought to be concerned with more important issues in professional football. the original problem had nothing to do with kneeling at a football game. it had to do with what was theeived as injustice in way in which police are dealing with minorities. especially african-americans. that is the issue. the president turn that around

into a question of kneeling, not kneeling, and because he is president, and he commands attention, and he is a genius at attracting attention, he knew he would turn the story from something he did not like into something he could, for political reasons, deal with and exploit. by the way, he has been completely successful in that because most of the owners of professional football teams and athletes themselves are slowly being obliged to do what it is the president wants. host: and the players and owners meet this week in new york city. did edward r. murrow higher you question -- hire you? story.yes, great in 1950 six after my assignment in russia, i went back to harvard and worked on my phd in russian history. at that time, i was riding a couple of articles based on my

articlese -- writing based on my experience in russia and one had to do with soviet it appeared in the new york times. edward murrow called me, liked it, and i was in the library doing my work on a monday. the librarian says to me, there's a guy on the phone who says he is edward r. murrow and would like to talk to you. i said, edward r. murrow is not calling me, that is the silliest thing i have heard. hang up on the guy. back three hours later and says, the same guy is calling and says he is edward r. murrow. this thing in the back of my mind says, why don't you answer? the minute i heard his voice, steve, i realized what a total jerk i had been because what he was doing was complimenting me on the story i did and asking me if i wanted to join cbs.

and would i come down to talk to him the following day -- which i did. rented threeeeting hours. we talked about everything having to do with the soviet union. he was a fabulous journalist, curious. he asked me one question after another, right up to khrushchev. at the end of it, he says, what do you say? cbs?ant to join i said, oh, yes, sir. he put his arm around me and said, you are one of us. that was one of the greatest honors of my life. host: did you finish your doctorate? guest: no. [laughter] i went to cbs. next let's go to our caller. caller: hi, how are you? guest: good. caller: i have a question. what can be done about people who not only already have an

opinion and talk to people to support their opinion, but they ?re almost like groupies supervisors, stockholders, and they do not have a right to pursue leads they might have, and when you talk about the national anthem, the human beings who wing -- instruments on the fields, and everybody else on the field has a right and deserves the respect of everybody there. guest: i totally agree, they all deserve that respect. we should also respect the first amendment, which gives the right to every reporter to give his or so labeled opinion. news is one thing, opinion another and it got to be separate. host: in tennessee, good morning.

democrat line. caller: getting back to russia, this is about the russian mafia. ok, i wondered to what degree you think that all those years -- i have to turn my volume down of being suppressed under the dictators ride to the development of the russian mafia thinking of things like the park and what horrible thing happened at the break of the soviet union when there was a chance to go semi-capitalist and the russian mafia moved in and took over everything, and now runs everything? host: thank you. guest: it was not just the russian mafia. that does exist, but what happened in 1991 was more complicated than an effort by the mafia to take control of everything in russia.

russia at that time was a totally disoriented, corrupt system. it had to be changed. gorbachev tried to change it. he failed because he would not go all the way. and the people who took over did not have a clear plan for how to move from a collapsed communist system into the beginning of a budding capitalist system. they were all kinds of ideas at that time. a lot of good people were involved but a lot of dreadful people were involved in the project essentially failed when putin came to power. host: robert from tennessee. republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you. kalb, i would like to ask you to explain to the american people all these the partys, explain

when theycomes from wrote their communist manifesto over their beliefs back in the 17th century and 18th century. don't you think if people will trump's cabinet of using the amendment and they say, we have unnamed sources, shouldn't they be forced to name them with such an important event taking place? host: thank you. right.you are the important events taking place and how one resolves them is not clear at this time. your earlier point about the communists, let us remember coming as a is now a totally failed and discredited ideology. there are only one or two places in the world which take to being communist or marxist.

that is a failed 20th-century way of doing business. i am delighted to say it was a dreadful political system and when i first went there in 1956, i had a theoretical understanding of communism and how it would be applied in a society. when i saw the damage it could do to individuals, the way it would imprison their minds and turn them into fearful, frightened subjects of the state , of a distant leader, i was totally turned off by that. and certainly agree that what we could have done at that time could conceivably been more aggressive but i think the way it worked out at the end, it collapsed from its own internal corruption. host: is russia today superpower? guest: no. no. russia today has some of the

makings of a superpower. they have a lot of nuclear power. a lot of missiles, nuclear weapons, but a few went into a small -- but is you went into a small russian town today 100 miles from moscow, i bet it is very similar to the town you would have seen 100 or 200 years ago. st. petersburg and moscow and a couple of the provincial capitals have been modernized and st. petersburg is a marvelous city and moscow is making efforts to be a marvelous city, as well, but it isn't. today lacks russia one very fundamental think, and that is political freedom. host: last call from washington, d.c., thanks for waiting. you with us? one more time, why did you write the book? guest: i wrote the book because

i kept a diary in 1956 of this extraordinary year in russian history. revolution. russian , the communist experience died. 1956, i was lucky to be there. i kept a diary of these major moments in russian history, the way in which they played around with the idea of freedom. i had an opportunity as a young, unattached american, to travel the places that were just opening up. i went everywhere and talked to a lot of russians and decided i wanted to put it down between hardcovers and let people understand the adventure that goes along with being the younger american with the idea of freedom, going into a country like russia.

what do you find? it is an adventure story. host: for years, you hosted "meet the press." if you had a chance to sit down with quart chef, today, -- with course just, what would be your question? guest: why did you crush the revolution and was it that important to maintain power? host: marvin kalb, we appreciate it. tonight on "q&a," we focus on gorbachev. big -- is from amherst college. calling it a season of war on the republican establishment, making news. (202)-748-8001 for republicans. (202)-748-8000 for democrats. for independents, we also have a line. we will take a short break as "washington journal" continues

this sunday, october 15. ♪ was devastating for him at the end. he was in some ways isolated and alone. a professorn "q&a," from amherst college and his biography "gorbachev." >> he trusted the soviet people, to follow him where they had never gone before, to democratize the country in a few short years. he trusted them to follow him as they move from a command economy to market one. he trusted them to follow him and trust him as he made peace in the cold war against the ancient enemy, the united states, so he trusted them too much, it turned out. >> tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span's "q&a." >> c-span, where history unfolds

daily. a 1979, c-span was created as public service by america's cable television companies and brought to today by a cable or satellite provider. >> tuesday, we are live in jefferson city, missouri, for the next stop on the 50 capitals tour. j ashcroft will be our guest during "washington journal" and 8:00 a.m. eastern. >> "washington journal" continues. host: an event to be covered live yesterday, a summit in washington, d.c., getting a lot of attention. steve bannon, served as senior strategist in the trunk campaign, calling it a "season of war on the gop establishment." steve bannon, the former chief

strategist, has a blunt message for the republican establishment, get ready for battle. the piece says and it iris speech at the summit -- at the he declared what he calls a season of war on party elders. the stark comments represent the latest escalation in the inter partes spat attained from an gop -- between trump and gop veterans. they compared him to julius caesar before the ides of march, the date caesar was assassinated. here is more for what steve bannon said yesterday. [video clip] steve bannon: bob corker, you know, a real piece of work. [laughter] -- thisd the president is a guy with six main dollars of cash in the bank, as chairman of the senate foreign relations

committee, most prestigious on capitol hill and when you can raise the most money on, in a state president trump won i some outrageous number, he did not have an opponent. there is no opponent. according to him and president trump disagrees, he said president trump endorsed him, money, prestige, and an endorsement of the president of the united states, and he quit. [applause] -- he had is just called over and talked about the exit polls, what was happening in alabama, and he knew the good men and women in alabama were holding mitch mcconnell accountable and they were going to hold bob corker, too. [applause] they said in the civil war

inside the republican party that, you know, why are you going after folks like deb fischer, all these guys that voted the right way? as bob corker has trashed the commander in chief of our armed forces, while we have young men and women in arms -- in harms way, we said he is reading them on a path of world war iii, he is in stable, people have to keep a moderated, that it is in adults center and they took the morning shift off? by some u.s. senator in the position of that authority, for the first time in the history of our public, has mocked and ridiculed a commander-in-chief, and we have kids in the field -- have i seen deb fischer come to a stick and commend that?

you have not. warning to you, no one can run and hide. these folks are coming for you. good day of taking nice conservative votes and hiding is over. [applause] you think,us what the comments of steve bannon. if you are republican, (202)-748-8001. for democrats, (202)-748-8000. this is the headline from the new york post -- then and declares war on the gop establishment. deborahom virginia, -- from virginia, good morning. caller: i'm wondering, why are we still seeingban -- cnon bann --seeing bannon? he is nothing, he belongs to be part news. -- you belongs to breitbart news. what a bunch of nazi's. is going on of what

in this government. i had to watch my classmates slaughtered every day in vietnam. i am sick of this crop. i think most of my generation has had enough very i am 65 years old. i will not listen to idiots anymore. on the other hand, get hillary away from us, as well. she took our boat away. americans are angry. it is time this country except, stands up and says we will not take this crap from any of them anymore. thank you. host: also on the democrat line, from california, good morning. caller: good morning. why do wesay that give the steve bannon's of the world that forms, yet nfl players have a just cause and we try to suppress them? this thing is real what is happening in black america. we need to as a people come together and put this stuff out

there. with people in this on ory of putting a cover something. every time -- host: mike from ohio, good morning. republican line. caller: good morning. thank you particular call. i think as an older american myself, i am glad donald trump and other republicans are standing up to the establishment and washington, d.c. they are just like the democrats so they might as well be one party and have the republican party by itself. that is all i have got to say. i think from is doing the right -- trump is doing the right thing. host: we read the story from nbc news, a season of four on the gop establishment -- or on the gop establishment. from virginia, randy joins us. welcome. caller: i like steve bannon.

i think he is a rebel. i think from is the first -- trump is the first step in getting rid of the washington establishment and we have a long way to go. thank you. host: the chicago tribune writing about -- it is not my war, it is our war, available online at the chicago tribune website. deb fischer nebraska, dean heller of nevada, called upon to condemn senator corker's recent comments or face primary challenges. steve bannon divided the defeat of strange, endorsed by trump and mcconnell, but was bested in a runoff election by rowing moore,a longtime -- orroy best known for being removed from the supreme court after refusing to comply with a court order to take down a monument of the 10 commandments outside of the courthouse. again, the story from the chicago tribune.

good morning, where are you phoning from? hello? you are on-air. go ahead. caller: ken you hear me? host: good morning. caller: i agree with the gentleman that called a couple calls ago. you cut him off unnecessarily before he finished. that should be why black americans are kneeling against the flag to advise america of what we are going through, being shot by police officers. thank you. host: 202 is the area code. 748-8001 for republicans. (202)-748-8000 for democrats. good morning, where you phoneme from? caller: good morning. my name is anne, calling from raleigh, north carolina. host: good morning. caller: how are you today? host: find, thank you. caller: good. is there still a chance i could

speak to someone about my day --s on our present well, democracy? host: you are on-air right now. go ahead. caller: hello, my name is anne, i am here are the wedding in north carolina, and i am very glad to have an opportunity to ask other people liked to you think -- what do you think of america and where we are headed? we are one people and that is where we should all stand together. host: thank you, frank in connecticut, republican line. good morning. caller: hi, i am getting sick and tired of people making this a racial issue. lots of callers are trying to make something out of nothing. steve bannon is representing the american people. what he is essentially doing is

trying -- it is an emergence of an independent party evolving, and he is trying to collect the interest of the common people of this country and put things together for them so the government referenced them and that represents the people. i do not know why we get this divisiveness comments from people and making things racial rather than just thinking about it holistically. host: thank you. larry clinton hustler magazine, a full page five in the washington post, announcing an offer of up to $10 million for information leading to the impeachment and removal of donald j. trump. and the washington post also wrote the story on it online. next from louisiana, independent mind. caller: yes, i am calling pretty much to say all of this banter from democrats and republicans,

i called independent because i am truly independent, i am in a humanistic ways of pointing to weaponize against each other instead of looking at the facts, everything around us today, whether north korea, domestic attention with police, and not looking at why this problem is and using scapegoats like the rage or party affiliation or this person or that person is against me, just standing back and being realistic and looking at the facts of what is going on in our world. i do not too much agree with trump, but hey, he is trying to do the right thing for the most part. you may not like the way he do it or says it, but at the end of the day, there are a lot of stories not reported that the liberal media and they

scrutinize him on a daily basis instead of saying, what is really going on? what has he done and not to and all of that? that is pretty much what i have to say. instead of being divisive -- host: go ahead, finish your point. we missed the last part. caller: the initial points, just look at the whole picture and figure out what is going on other than people with hidden agendas. i think he has a hidden agenda of what he wants to do and that is it, look back at the bags and be reasonable instead of trying to be divisive and say, this, that. see theire facts and hitting objectives and motives on why they do that. host: here is more on what steve bannon's comments were yesterday in washington, d.c. [video clip] i do notnon: mitch, know if you're watching today, but if i can take a little riff upplutarch and shakespeare,

on capitol hill, because i have been getting calls, it is like you for the ides of march. the only question, and this is an analogy or metaphor, they are looking to find out who is going to be brutus to your julius caesar? [applause] mitch, the donors are not happy. they have left you. we cut your oxygen off, mitch. money is not courageous but smart. right now, money is sitting there saying, i see these folks. they are worked up, dad and for a reason -- mad for a reason. host: yesterday, steve bannon in washington, d.c., and headline from l.a. times -- the death toll continues in california, there was no time. hundreds more now fleeing and hundreds missing. the latest death toll according to the l.a. times stands at 40.

the full story available at latimes.com. meanwhile, president trump takes aim at the new york times and reporter peter baker. his latest tweets -- "the failing new york times and destroyed by peter baker should have mentioned the rapid termination of ttp in the paris accord, as well as the past approvals of the keystone xl and dakota access pipeline's. also, look at the recent epa cancellations and our great new supreme court justice," critical of the week and piece. you can read the story at nytimes.com. peter from arizona, good morning. caller: i have a comments. i think everybody should take a step back from all of this. we have steve bannon making noise and saying, trump is not getting the coverage over the things he does right and he is getting ripped over what he does

wrong. it really does look like a day care center in which nobody is in charge and the are all fighting each other. we had too much corruption and involved interest the entire political process at that level now. and it is going to take a shakeup. i believe van in and from -- bannon and trump are going to destroy the republican party. hillary has already done a good job on the democrats, so we are going to be looking here at least two election cycles of extreme turmoil. hopefully, we will get back on track before they do something stupid like start a war. and then these idiots calling about, racism now is being pulled up as a card, we should at do that -- i think we need strong conversation about racism in this country and everybody ought to try and take it with a basic rule.

no malice. thank you. host: thank you. this is from talkingpoints memo.com -- and steve has this tweet -- steve bannon represents the fear and hate rampant in our society. represents quite a few folks who -- folks. boo! haters that a hate! you are next, good morning. caller: how are you? host: fine, thank you. caller: ok. i am over 65 now and i am retired. i am from a retired military guy also, and the way i look at it should be busted apart. there should be several parties under each party.

there should be a liberal democrat. there should be a social democrat. there should be a christian democrat. same way with the republicans. host: how would we govern? caller: how would we govern? just about like the rest of the world. they would have to make a cabinet and a working government, kind of like -- host: that sounds like a parliamentary system more like the republic in the u.s. caller: yes, it would probably work a heck of a lot better. host: ok, thanks for the call. breitbart news is focusing on harvey weinstein. we mentioned breitbart because steve bannon, former editor, he is back with that new site now. carl kansas city, democrat line. good morning. caller: hello. kudos to the last two callers. they stole my thunder, but i wanted to simply -- i am 73 years old, and i have seen a

lot. i have seen the american political system, which is a good system in some respects, but let's not sugarcoat it. back when mcgovern ran and the democrats went to far left, they got wiped out. i do not a trump fan. i think he is a crook, but i don't want to go there. anyway, i am kind of happy. be optimistic because i think bannon is pushing the republican party where most americans are not. an effect, to have and it is going to bring them in line or they are going to get kicked out. i am optimistic, even though i do not like trump and i think he is a crook. host: thank you. another beware says, trump and bannon supporters do not know american history, the constitution and what actually

makes america work. let's go to richard in spokane, washington, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a question, how come everyone listening to how to hate trump are the ones that are -- they body shame his hands and his penis 24 hours a day. they call them fat, they attacked the color of his skin, they call him in orange orangutan or gorilla, the attack is immigrant wife with his head in el chapo's hands. they forced his 11 your child to bloody onather's head television and they are the heroes. how can they get away with 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for nine months straight -- they ts, they body

shame him, and they are the ones that people here what trump supporters think. why do they have trump -- why do they ask trump haters what trump supporters think? host: why do you think they had that hatred? caller: because it is on television. as they hate trump. they lost. obama and they ask hillary clinton supporters what do trump supporters think? well, trump supporters think he is stupid, all this other stuff. they say trump supporters hate women and they attack women with cigars. they say trump supporters are racist. they say his skin is orange, that make some stupid. host: ok, last word from rob in maryland. independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. thanks. host: you have about one minute. caller: one thing, gun control. , the republicans and some democrats have not stood up

to the nra. the gun violence, the killing of black youth by police officers, the black on black crime, white on white crime, mass shootings, all about gun control. when the politicians stand up to an array, maybe players will -- up to nra, the players will stand up for the flag. know when is talking about it. there are some of the guns in this country, no wonder you're so much division. host: we are short on time but you why for your calls in, -- but thank you. before we go, "snl" and alec baldwwin like at it. the president was in harrisburg last week and this was the opening skit last night on saturday night live. [video clip] >> please welcome the president of the united states, donald j. trump. [applause] >> thank you, thank you, people

burg pennsylvania. i love the truckers. we have so much in common kazaa the blood in our bodies pools in our legs and butts. we're getting rid of everything obama did, health care, obamacare, and we are ripping out all the vegetables and michelle obama's garden. we are growing nuggets because we love america, don't we? that is why i had mike pence go to the colts game and when players felt, told him to get the hell out of there, but do not worry, we are taking the season tickets and donating them to two defense in puerto rico. -- to two lucky fans in puerto rico. [laughter] they have to fly themselves to indiana and book their own hotel

and at some point start doing things for themselves. host: that is part of the opening skit last night on nbc's "snl." we will be talking hollywood and harvey weinstein tomorrow morning. theg our guests, one with hollywood reporter, and a senior writer about the lobbying going on in the trump administration taxcongress, especially as reform takes front and center tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern time. thank you for joining us. we hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend. "newsmakers" is next. have a great week. ♪ >> next isne